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Waterproof vs Water Resistant. What Do I Need?

by , October 25, 2016

There are few things more frustrating than arriving somewhere and realizing your gear is soaked through. That’s why choosing the right bag is super important. But finding that right bag can be trickier than we think: some bags say they’re waterproof, others say they’re water resistant, and you might not know what either term really means, let alone what you need.

Don’t worry. We’re here to help. We’ll explain the difference, look at all the variables, and give you some tried and true recommendations, so you can nail your bag of choice.

trakke rain

What's the difference? 

The difference between waterproof and water resistant seems obvious. It’s right in their names. Waterproof means water won’t get through the bag. Water resistant means the bag will hold up against water but, at some point, water will get through.

That’s all true but all too simple. There are degrees of water resistance and waterproofness. So, to know what you need, you need to know how everything works.

Let’s dive into the differences.

"There are degrees of water resistance and waterproofness."

What Does Water Resistant Mean?

Water resistance comes down to a bag’s materials and how those materials are put together. If any element of the bag can let water in, then it’s no longer waterproof. But it can still be pretty water resistant.

mission-workshop-fitzroy-waterproof-vs-water-resistant

The Material

Let’s start with the fabric. The most common fabrics are nylon, polyester and cotton. These are measured in Denier. One yarn of the material is about one denier. The higher the denier count, the heavier the yarn.

So if your bag is made of 400D nylon, then each of the fibers is made up of 400 yarns of nylon. And so you'd think the more dense the material, the less water will get through, right? Not necessarily true.

600D nylon will repel water better than 1680D nylon.  The super high Deniers, although thicker in fibers, actually have larger gaps (but I digress, we could write a whole post on Denier!).

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So, even when the material is woven tight, water can still seep through. Water molecules are small, after all. If the water pressure is high enough — that is, if it’s exerting enough force on the bag — water could make its way through the pores in the material.

So you really need something with a protective backing or coating.

"If the water pressure is high enough — that is, if it’s exerting enough force on the bag — water could make its way through the pores in the material."

Coatings of polyurethane (PU), polyvinyl chloride (PVC), or thermoplastic elastomers (TPE) to the back side of fabric can help stop water getting through. Also a Teflon or good ol’ fashioned wax coating can be added to the surface to help water bead up and roll off.

Every little bit helps.

Water-resistant fabric

The Construction

You can have all the waterproof fabric you like but it won’t be a waterproof bag if it features your standard zippers or stitching. Water will get in. Construction counts.

Beware of fancy marketing where they advertise "made with waterproof materials" in a way that makes the entire bag appear to be waterproof.  A bag can be made with 100% waterproof materials, but still let water in like a sinking ship if constructed with traditional methods.

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Your standard zipper has small openings between the teeth. Water that hits those teeth, be it via eerily accurate rain or submersion, will get through. Some bags provide splash guards or use water-resistant fabric to cover the zippers. Others use water-resistant or waterproof zips.

Beware, occasionally brands will advertise their zippers as "waterproof zippers", when they are simply water resistant zippers. Waterproof zippers are very difficult to pull open/close, require maintenance/lubrication, and are very expensive (a great example: check out the main zip on the Patagonia Stormfront).

Protip: if the bag is sewn and they are advertising a "waterproof zipper," chances are that the zipper is water resistant only. Using a waterproof zipper on a non-waterproof bag just wouldn't make any sense (cost or function).

"Your standard zipper has small openings between the teeth. Water that hits those teeth, be it via eerily accurate rain or submersion, will get through."

Patagonia Stormfront - waterproof vs water resistant

Next up is how the bag is put together. Check the seams. See needle holes and stitching? That means water has a potential means for ingress. Those holes might be sealed with silicon but seals can break down. Seam taping can help but it’s not perfect. Stitching can fray.

Patagonia Stormfront - waterproof vs water resistant

What Does Waterproof Mean?

If your bag is waterproof you can submerge it underwater for a long time and, once you take it out of the water and open it up, everything inside will be bone dry. No water will have penetrated the bag.

Simple.

"If your bag is waterproof you can submerge it underwater for a long time and, once you take it out of the water and open it up, everything inside will be bone dry."

Waterproof vs water resistant

Every inch of the bag needs to keep water out. It means it’s made from material with pores so small no water molecule can pass through or, ideally, material that doesn’t have pores at all. It means construction that doesn’t involve needle holes — even if you seal those holes, the seals could break down and water could get in.

Construction

Every element of a bag needs to be waterproof for a bag to actually be waterproof. Not just the zipper or the joints or the material. Everything. And, as we’ve seen, that means taking a lot of things into consideration.

"It means it’s made from material with pores so small no water molecule can pass through or, ideally, material that doesn’t have pores at all."

Once you have a material with pores so microscopic water can’t get through — or, ideally, material without any pores at all — you have to join that fabric together in a particular way.

Waterproof vs water resistant

Ultrasonic Welding (or RF Welding) is the most common way to go about that. It’s difficult and, despite being “the most common way” of going about this, still quite rare in the scheme of things.

Two panel edges of a material (made from thermoplastic or containing a thermoplastic coating) are carefully aligned and then held together using pressure (via a die). At this point, the RF welding machine emits high level ultrasonic sound waves at the seam (directly focused through the die). The energy from the sound waves activates the material at a molecular level, creating a high level of energy which moves the molecules around rapidly, resulting in heat that permanently bonds the two panels together.

The two panels are technically no longer two panels, they have been fused together and are now one panel.  Generally speaking, the bonded area is actually stronger than the mother material.  No holes required whatsoever.

These Ultrasonic Welding machines are (very) expensive. The highly trained technicians who use these machines are expensive. Only certain materials can be used and you guessed it... they are also expensive. That means the result is expensive.

"The energy from the sound waves heats the material and bonds the two panels together. No holes required."

You can also expect fewer access points in the bag too. The fewer ways you have in, the fewer ways water has in. That could mean one or two waterproof zips (which, again, are more expensive than water-resistant zips) and roll-tops that cover the access point with a fold or two.

Basically, making a waterproof bag is costly and particular. They require a certain methodology and certain functional and aesthetic sacrifices. That doesn’t mean they’re unattractive. It just means you might not get exactly what you want if you decide to go all in on waterproofing.

"Basically, making a waterproof bag is costly and particular. They require a certain methodology and certain functional and aesthetic sacrifices."

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But I Really Want to Geek Out

Okay. If you’re really worried about this you can always check some numbers. Here are two things you can dive into: the IP Code and hydrostatic head test.

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The IP Code

The IP Code, International Protection Marking, is an international standard set for electronics by the International Electrotechnical Commission. Brands sometimes use the guidelines during the development and design of their bags but you’ll rarely see a code attached to a bag in a store or online. It does, however, provide inspiration and a rough framework for the kinds of expectations and levels of protection from water.

The code classifies the level of protection something offers against intrusion (physical things like dust and body parts) and water. It’s an attempt to standardize what you can expect from something and add some clarity: as we’ve seen, “waterproof” can be a bit vague when printed on a label.

"The code classifies the level of protection something offers against intrusion (physical things like dust and body parts) and water."

How does the IP Code work?

It breaks protection against intrusion from physical things into a number between 0 and 6 and from water into a number between 0 and 9. These two numbers sit side by side. Each number has a standard it needs to meet and the higher the better.

"How does an IP Code work? It breaks protection against intrusion from physical things into a number between 0 and 6 and from water into a number between 0 and 9."

So, something with the code IP16 wouldn’t do much for physical intrusions (it would only offer protection from things bigger than 50mm; accidental bumps from large body parts, for example) but would stand up to powerful water jets (in this case, meaning 100 liters per minute for 3 minutes at a high pressure). However, IP61 would be completely dust-tight but wouldn’t stop anything more than dripping water (1mm of rainfall per minute for 10 minutes).

Here’s a great breakdown from OverBoard UK.

Like I said, you might not see an IP Code on many bags' advertising material. But the code is used in the design and testing stage. If nothing else, it’s worth having an idea of its standards. They help clarify just what kind of water resistance you need.

Patagonia

Hydrostatic Head Test

A fabric’s water resistance is measured in two numbers. The second looks at how well a fabric breathes, which is important for clothing but less so for bags (unless your bag sweats and needs to be cooled, then you might have another problem entirely).

The fabric’s water resistance is measured in millimeters (mm) and it’s determined by a hydrostatic head test.

A tube is put over a square inch of fabric. The tube is filled with water until the pressure exerted onto the fabric causes the fabric to fail and/or water to seep through.

So, if it took 5,000mm of water to put enough pressure on the fabric for it to leak, then the innards of your bag would stay dry until 5,000mm of water had fallen on it.

That’s a light to moderate rain, by the way. The best materials run at 20,000mm.

"A tube is put over a square inch of fabric. The tube is filled with water until the pressure exerted onto the fabric causes the fabric to fail and/or water to seep through."

But, here’s the thing: there’s no standardized methodology for such a test. One company could consider their fabric dealing with 5,000mm of water for a minute a pass, another could need an hour at 5,000mm. So check their standards (if you can find them – good luck!) before committing. And then start worrying about the zippers.

Boreas Echo

So What Do I Need?

To decide what level of waterproofing or resistance you need you’ll have to answer a few other questions:

How much water will I likely see?

How much pressure will that water be putting on me?

How long will that water be coming down on me?

Waterproof vs water resistant

The Bottom Line

In all honesty, 99% of individuals do NOT need waterproof bags for EDC/work/travel. 

Waterproof bags should be reserved for the rare 1% that see prolonged downpours every day in their lives OR for individuals who are purchasing an activity specific bag (like an upcoming whitewater rafting trip, an evil villain constructing an undersea fortress to battle Aquaman, etc).

Or, like most humans, simply don’t have the time to research such nonsense, we’ll break it down for you and make recommendations.

Drizzle

drizzle

Any pack really, unless it’s open!


Rain

rain

Most packs we recommend on this site should be totally fine when standing in a light drizzle or medium rainfall, or a sprint to cover under heavy rainfall, or even a spilled liter of water on the surface of the fabric. Drops may bead up on the surface of the fabric at first (like they’re supposed to), but eventually the moisture will soak through. Toss on a sil-nylon rain cover, and you’ll be all good.

Here’s a few favs:

Mission Workshop Sanction

GORUCK GR1

Bedouin Delireis

Topo Designs Klettersack

Teranishi Venture LT

Timbuk2 Spire

Alchemy Equipment AEL001

Millican Smith

Helinox TERG Daypack

Côte&Ciel Twin Isar

Aer Fit Pack


Heavy Shower / Prolonged Exposure

heavy-rain

Okay, so it’s getting a little more serious. You’re on your bike or trudging to work and it rains and it rains hard and there’s nowhere to hide. No cafe to duck into. No bar. Just you and this tropical downpour waterfalling over your sorry and sodden butt. You need to grin and bare it and leg it home for another hour of water-wracked misery. These are for you:

Trakke Cuillin

Mission Workshop Sanction

Mission Workshop Rambler

Arc’teryx Granville

Boreas Echo

Timbuk2 Especial Tres Backpack

Timbuk2 Especial Primo Waterproof Backpack

Velo Transit Edge 30 Waterproof Backpack

Ortlieb Velocity

Ortlieb High Visibility


Snow

snow

Okay, the rain turns to hail, which then turns to egg-shaped snow rockets. You’re knee-deep in fresh powder. You find a carrot and you plunge it into the face of a nearby snow mound and voilà, you have a snowman. These are the packs for you:

Arc’teryx Alpha FL 30

Arc’teryx Cierzo 18

Mystery Ranch Scree

Mystery Ranch Pitch 20

Burton AK Backpack

Black Diamond Dawn Patrol 32

Black Diamond Cirque 45

Chrome Excursion


Submersion  (1 meter and below)

Here's where the classical "waterproof" carry comes in. You're looking for that wielded technology here because you're wading through rivers or paddling in a kayak etc.

1m Submersion

Patagonia Stormfront

Watershed Animas

SealLine Black Canyon Boundary Pack


Submersion (3 meters and below)

There. Will. Be. Duck-diving. Underwater.

3m submersion backpack

Overboard Classic Waterproof


Anything more…

submarine waterproof backpack

You might need a submarine, ha!

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  • gindido

    Great article! How would sort the term “water-repellent” into this discussion? Is it in between waterproof and water-resistant or even weaker?

    • http://stainlesssteelface.tumblr.com Jed

      ‘water repellent’ is a property of certain fabrics (or a coating that is applied to them) that suggests that water will not soak into the fabric for a while. Water resistance/waterproofing (especially in the context of Hydrostatic Head, which I know a bit about about), is usually a reference to whether water will permeate through the fabric – rather than just soaking in (or ‘wetting-out’).

      In the context of gore-tex type garments, for example then, the membrane (material) is waterproof (in that liquid will not pass through it) and most materials are given a Durable Water-repellent (DWR) coating. The DWR is what causes water to bead up on the outside of the jacket, and helps it breathe. Even if the jacket starts to wet out, it might not be letting liquid through, but it won’t breathe well either. Over time the DWR will wear out and needs to be replaced by a product such as NikWax.

      DWR coatings are often applied to materials like Cordura for bags (I know Maxpedition use a Dupont Teflon coating for example) to create water repellency and consequently boost their water resistance.

  • Jason Gifford

    Denier is a measurement of weight. the thick yarn has a higher weight than a thin yarn. fabric is made out of yarns, not strands. that Denier number just tells you if the fabric is made out of a thick yarn or a thin yarn, not how many strands. And the Water Resistance has nothing to do with the yarns, it has only to do with the coatings and backings. a loose weave with a thick backing will be more water blocking than a tight weave with a light backing. If there is no coating on the fabric, the yarns themselves will absorb the moisture and leak into the seams, so a Polyurethane WR coating like Nanotex or generic is what saves you, not the tightness of the weave.

    • TeamCarryology

      Oh nice, excellent input @jasongifford:disqus. Thanks for dropping some knowledge! We’ve made some amendments, hopefully that clears things up.

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